Yep, two names… thedude… abides. It’s a movie reference.

GREAT movie btw

You guys can’t be serious on this Klingel guy.

You must know so much more about him than I do. Please elaborate.

I’m really curious to know all the details of how it came about and exactly how he was ruled out. Didn’t Klingel live in Mill Valley and work at 3333 California Street (Fireman’s Fund) during Z’s active killing period? If so, I find his work location particularly interesting during this time.

The question in my mind isn’t how was he ruled out, but how was he ruled in? Your assuming a connection can be made to him that’s definite. The only way I can think of would have been through the keys and their numbers. A subject that is apparently not for discussion.
It has to be keys, that’s all the card offered up. That and a hard to see phone number and a Eureka post mark. This is simple, we’ll all have to wait and read if our questions get answered.

“Strikes and gutters, ups and downs”

You guys can’t be serious on this Klingel guy.

You must know so much more about him than I do. Please elaborate.

No disrespect to anybody but apologies the thread was going somewhere earlier, Tom would it possible to advise on @thedudes questions or is it something you don’t or can’t discuss ?

Chester Clark Klingel’s daughter Sandra E Klingel lived in Eureka in 1990

The Eureka Card was mailed 1990 to the SF Chronicle.
The 2 keys on the photocopy , included in the envelope, is claimed by Tom V to belong to Chester Clark Klingel.

Now… of inters is the fact that Chester Clark Klingel’s daughter Sandra Elizabeth Klingel lived in Eureka in 1990
in fact she lived in Eureka already in 1988.

Here is info on Sandra Elizabeth Klingel, her mother and father:

Sandra Elizabeth Klingel born Jan 16, 1960
Mother:Yolanda Gloria Klingel (died 36 years old, in car accident jan 1961, Sandra, then a baby, was also injured but survived)
Father: Chester Klingel Jr

I have tryed VERY hard to find Sandra’s birth certificate but no luck.

Sandra Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1
Name: Sandra Klingel
Residence Date: 1988
Address: 3960 F St
Residence: Eureka, CA
Postal Code: 95503-6004

Sandra E Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
Name: Sandra E Klingel
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1960
Address: 5480 Cummings Rd
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95503-9761

Sandra E Klingel
in the U.S., Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 2
Name: Sandra E Klingel
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1960
Address: 5488 Cummings Rd
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95503

Sandra Elizabeth Klingel
in the U.S., Index to Public Records, 1994-2019
Name: Sandra Elizabeth Klingel
[Sandra E Kliugel]
[Sandra No Klingel]
Birth Date: Jan 1960
Residence Date: 1993-2020
Address: 5888 Cummings Rd
Residence: Eureka, California, USA
Postal Code: 95503
Second Residence Date: 1987-2020
Second Address: 5480 Cummings Rd
Second Residence: Eureka, California, USA
Second Postal Code: 95503
Third Residence Date: 1982-2019
Third Address: 6888 Mountain View Rd
Third Residence: Kneeland, California, USA
Third Postal Code: 95549
Fourth Residence Date: 1994-2019
Fourth Address: 6970 Mountain View Rd
Fourth Residence: Kneeland, California, USA
Fourth Postal Code: 95549

Sandra’s mother:

Yolanda Gloria “Lonnie” Roseboro Klingel
BIRTH 25 Dec 1925
Tucson, Pima County, Arizona, USA
DEATH 7 Jan 1961 (aged 35)
Oakdale, Stanislaus County, California, USA
BURIAL
Mount Tamalpais Cemetery
San Rafael, Marin County, California, USA

Yolanda G. Klingel was the wife of Chester C. Klingel II. She was killed in a bizarre automobile accident on Highway 120, near Oakdale CA, when the car her husband was driving hit a runaway horse. Their 11 month old daughter Sandra was seriously injured but survived. Chester Klingel was uninjured. The family lived in Stockton CA at the time of Yolanda’s death. The accident made the front page of the Modesto Bee, January 8th 1961.

Family Members
Spouse
Chester Clark Klingel
1926–2017

Inscription
Loving wife of Chester C. Klingel
Mother of Betty Jane, Sandra Elizabeth

Chester Clark Klingel himself moved to Eureka, there is records from 2002, but when he in fact moved there I dont know?

Chester C Klingel
in the U.S., Phone and Address Directories, 1993-2002
Name: Chester C Klingel
Residence Years: 2002
Address: 2434 18Th St
Residence Place: Eureka, California, USA
Zip Code: 95501-1324
Phone Number: 707-268-0131

I’ve also always wanted to know how he was ruled out. It does seem hushed up by the people that found him.

I’ve also always wanted to know how he was ruled out. It does seem hushed up by the people that found him.

Are you being serious? His DNA didn’t match and I posted that info more than a decade ago.

You guys can’t be serious on this Klingel guy.

You must know so much more about him than I do. Please elaborate.

No disrespect to anybody but apologies the thread was going somewhere earlier, Tom would it possible to advise on @thedudes questions or is it something you don’t or can’t discuss ?

One last dagger, apparently you too aren’t worthy of a response.?
The hypocrisy.

You want me to copy and paste my reply from yesterday?

Ok, here it is. From yesterday:

the Sam stuff is off limits for me to discuss for the near future. Self imposed. However I can tell you everything got verified and additional evidence uncovered before he was covertly DNA tested by the California DOJ. I’m putting together a presentation on Sam, he’s still an amazing suspect and now that he’s dead I can share more. Including official documents about the DOJ investigation into his being the Zodiac.

Ok, here it is. From yesterday:

the Sam stuff is off limits for me to discuss for the near future. Self imposed. However I can tell you everything got verified and additional evidence uncovered before he was covertly DNA tested by the California DOJ. I’m putting together a presentation on Sam, he’s still an amazing suspect and now that he’s dead I can share more. Including official documents about the DOJ investigation into his being the Zodiac.

You want me to copy and paste my response from yesterday. Okay here it is, my response from yesterday.

“ But you know how this works, if you’re going to make a claim like those keys definitely belonged to Sam then you better cough up the details and the story on how that “fact” became a fact. Otherwise it’s just like everyone else’s baseless opinions without evidence. You would be saying the same thing.”

So I’ll patiently wait for your presentation.

But I have a prediction I’ll make…. my questions won’t get answered.

Wow, you’re acting like a baby who isn’t getting his binky fast enough. Perhaps you should demand a refund?

Ok, here it is. From yesterday:

the Sam stuff is off limits for me to discuss for the near future. Self imposed. However I can tell you everything got verified and additional evidence uncovered before he was covertly DNA tested by the California DOJ. I’m putting together a presentation on Sam, he’s still an amazing suspect and now that he’s dead I can share more. Including official documents about the DOJ investigation into his being the Zodiac.

You want me to copy and paste my response from yesterday. Okay here it is, my response from yesterday.

“ But you know how this works, if you’re going to make a claim like those keys definitely belonged to Sam then you better cough up the details and the story on how that “fact” became a fact. Otherwise it’s just like everyone else’s baseless opinions without evidence. You would be saying the same thing.”

So I’ll patiently wait for your presentation.

But I have a prediction I’ll make…. my questions won’t get answered.

Looks like you might’ve had one too many White Russians today…

Wow, you’re acting like a baby who isn’t getting his binky fast enough. Perhaps you should demand a refund?

For those of you who are wondering why I even care, which is a great question, it’s because I believe that I have found a location to one of the keys. I know how that sounds. So I went to Tom, the source, to discuss it. Because he has made the claim that those keys belong to “Sam”. Where… how… only he knows. Politely and privately I asked for details and we all know what happened next, nothing.

Tom, you don’t know me. I actually enjoy your funny quips. I do. But you know what I’ve asked for. You know why. You’ve set the stage… I’ll wait to see what you present. With my binky and a bag of popcorn. Seems reasonable.